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nytro2288 nytro2288
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 02/11
Posted: 02/23/11
04:49 PM

Hello, all. I want to put the feelers out to some Pontiac fans about an unusual car I just recently came across. What I've found is a '70 LeMans 4 door sedan with what looks like a factory installed 4 speed transmission. I first thought it must be a conversion done by a previous owner in the past, but this thing sure looks factory built. If someone did convert it, they sure went to a lot of trouble to make it right, but why do that to a 4 door instead of a more valuable coupe? The car is in excellent condition and has what looks to be a completely stock 350 and a 10 bolt safe-t-track. I haven't checked engine numbers, but it's got a cast iron intake with a Quadrajet, stock points distributor, exhaust manifolds, etc. It's got a floor shift column and a bench seat and the car is in great shape with no rust, beautiful interior, excellent frame and floors and on and on. I've never seen a 4 door sedan with a factory 4 speed, but I know Pontiac and others would build just about any combo a customer wanted back in the day. Anybody have any info if this was a factory available combo, or ever seen another? I'm wondering if there's a way I can tell if this one is factory. Any input would be appreciated. Thanks very much.  

barneyformula barneyformula
Addict | Posts: 3306 | Joined: 01/07
Posted: 02/23/11
06:29 PM

If you are serious about buying it, get the VIN number and send it to PHS to see how it was built. I forget what they charge but it is well worth the money before you lay down some serious cash. Sounds like a neat old ride, I'm going to have to google it to find a pic of a 4 door, I forget what they looked like!
Steve  
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65pmdgto1 65pmdgto1
Enthusiast | Posts: 504 | Joined: 12/07
Posted: 02/23/11
06:33 PM

I haven't seen Pontiacs in this configuration but lot of other GM cars and station wagons with factory 4 speeds. One 64 Impala wagon with 425 HP 409 and 4 speed. And  a 67 Olds Vista Cruiser with 4 speed. I really wanted that Olds to restore for our sons family but the poor thing was a rolling pile of rust.  

barneyformula barneyformula
Addict | Posts: 3306 | Joined: 01/07
Posted: 02/23/11
06:37 PM

http://www.gmphotostore.com/1970-Pontiac-LeMans-4-Door-Hardtop/productinfo/53217176/  
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nytro2288 nytro2288
New User | Posts: 2 | Joined: 02/11
Posted: 02/23/11
10:50 PM

Thanks for the input, guys. I was thinking about the PHS documentation, only I'm not sure what my timeframe is before I lose my shot at buying the car. I imagine it's got to be at least 6 weeks or more before getting a response from PHS, but never used it so I can't be sure. I've got a feeling I've read about '68-'72 4 door GM A bodies with 4 speeds over the years (most recently a '68 or '69 Olds Cutlass), but who thinks to ever mentally record something so obscure when they read about it? I guess this is just a bit of why we love this hobby so much! I'm gonna keep trying to follow up on this and hopefully, I can stall the seller. I don't think she's in a position where she needs to sell immediately and she knows I like the car. With a bit of luck, I'll be able to share some pics with all of you soon.  

gtojack1366 gtojack1366
Guru | Posts: 1250 | Joined: 11/09
Posted: 02/24/11
06:35 PM

A 4 speed trans in a 70 Lemans 4 door will ad 15% more value to the car .Average retail for that car is 7,500 dollars .  

Darkitec Darkitec
User | Posts: 124 | Joined: 03/10
Posted: 02/24/11
11:39 PM

A couple of years ago either HPP or PE had a brief article on a factory built, 455 ram air, 4 speed, endura nose option, 4 door Lemans. So Pontiac must have built a few of them  

69GTOby 69GTOby
Guru | Posts: 1114 | Joined: 02/09
Posted: 02/25/11
07:04 AM

Icon QuoteDarkitec:
A couple of years ago either HPP or PE had a brief article on a factory built, 455 ram air, 4 speed, endura nose option, 4 door Lemans. So Pontiac must have built a few of them

A few is probably correct.  Very cool car.  Maybe you can try to work out a deal with the seller.  Negociate a deposit or something so he knows you're serious, and ask for a time window to get PHS docs.  Then, once you get them and find out it's all real, you can pay him for the rest.

This would be such a fun car.  Ultimate sleeper.  Tongue  
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HPP_EDITOR HPP_EDITOR
New User | Posts: 14 | Joined: 11/07
Posted: 03/01/11
02:25 PM

Hello everyone.

Take a look at this link on this website.

http://www.highperformancepontiac.com/features/hppp_1005_1969_pontiac_fireb
ird_1970_pontiac_lemans/index.html

Hope it helps.  

idrivejunk idrivejunk
Addict | Posts: 5139 | Joined: 12/09
Posted: 03/01/11
05:44 PM

Now THAT is a cool article. I want the black Formula most. Its true, though, Dad bought Tempests in 62, 64, and 66 and one could pretty much pick and choose options. New cars were so much more exciting that way.  
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instg8ter instg8ter
Guru | Posts: 971 | Joined: 10/10
Posted: 03/01/11
08:11 PM

the more tempest wagons i see the more i want one...with a 389 tripower, 4 speed...LOL, now thats an SUV  
http://s1098.photobucket.com/albums/g372/instg8ter/1966%20Tempest/

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