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Value of first Firebird ever made? HELP!

 
RumRunner1 RumRunner1
Enthusiast | Posts: 580 | Joined: 12/10
Posted: 11/30/11
09:46 AM

welcome swbird!!! nice find! a little advice".... get ahold of our H.P.P editors and ask to do a story!! leave the birds" as/is for the article. and do a follow up later when or if they are to be restored.. I guarantee all the pontiac Fans would appreciate it..please do not hack them up for drag duty or pro-touring. if what you write is true, you have pieces of history my friend, dont spoil it.. would be cool if the "build sheet" was under the carpet or something and find a legible name from the quality assurance guy who drove the first one off the line and onto the piggy back carrier and see if he's still around for a reunion!!!  
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Brazil Brazil
Addict | Posts: 3965 | Joined: 06/09
Posted: 11/30/11
11:24 AM

Yes - Absolutely! That would be a special issue for Pontiac freaks!  

Mr.Milt Mr.Milt
Guru | Posts: 1135 | Joined: 08/08
Posted: 11/30/11
02:43 PM

I am not sure where the build sheet is on a 67 but on the second generation birds it is under the seat, drivers side, rear bottom.  We would love to see the article published and how about a sneak preview  - I would still love to see the photos.  

HPP Editors - does Rumrunner1 have a good idea?  Is there a possibility of an article?  

gtojack1366 gtojack1366
Guru | Posts: 1278 | Joined: 11/09
Posted: 11/30/11
03:45 PM

Here's the build sheet for the first GTO ever built . It was a silver mist gray convertible with a black top vin number 824p003147 built on 9/11/63    Firstgtobuilt 2nd week of December sounds kind of late to build the first 67 model ? My 69 GTO was built on 1/10/69 and if you count the numbers on my vin that would mean they already built 24 thousand of them ? Maybe you can't go by the vin number ? Here's something I found out about show on the body tag -   Show-1 Paint Code  
 My body tag has "show 1" where the paint codes should be. What does this mean.  
 
A: In regards to your question about a "Show 1" Body Tag, yes I have seen those before on a GTO as well as other makes/models. They are quite rare because they were generally very early production vehicles (but not always). Even to this day, the auto companies produce "SHOW" vehicles early in production. Working in Advance Mfg. at DaimlerChrysler, I see vehicles with these same Body Tags... "SHOW 1", "SHOW 2", etc. Also see: "PILOT" and "SPEC" as well. Generally, these special build vehicles were scheduled during the pre-production phase by Engineering or Styling. A "SHOW" Build is built on the regular Line but is treated special and fit/finish are very usually a little better. Paint is also unique and given an extra shine. As with most pre-production or even some early build vehicles, many were destroyed due to various test requirements. A "SHOW" vehicle would have survived if no other Dept. requested it after it's purpose of "Show" was over. Example: Usually, every fall, the Plants will run a few "SHOW" vehicles for Detroit AutoRama. When the new Grand Cherokee came out in '92, I personally remember seeing (3) "SHOW" vehicles built. All were Red and each had an 'escort' to ensure all trim/exterior parts were show worthy. In addition to the Body Trim Tags stating the vehicles purpose (BTW, at Chrysler, these Tags are temporarily 'wire-tied' to the front lower cross member until mid-way through the Chassis Line). "SHOW" vehicles have special Broadcast Sheets as well as hand-written sheets attached to all sides to let Operators know that this vehicle is to be treated special. To find a "SHOW" 1st Gen. Firebird is indeed a rare thing. Finding the Broadcast Sheet would be an interesting discovery. If I can answer any similar questions, feel free to let me know.  

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big-g-67gto big-g-67gto
Guru | Posts: 913 | Joined: 07/10
Posted: 12/01/11
08:03 AM

the Pontiac Firebird was a mid year entry....the Camero was available in the fall of 67, the Firebird hit the lots early 68 as a 67 model.....

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big-g-67gto big-g-67gto
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Posted: 12/01/11
08:08 AM

the Pontiac Firebird was a mid year entry....the Camero was available in the fall of 67, the Firebird hit the lots early 68 as a 67 model.....

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gtojack1366 gtojack1366
Guru | Posts: 1278 | Joined: 11/09
Posted: 12/01/11
05:28 PM

The first 67 Firebird built on second week of december 66 doesn't sound like a mid year entry to me . If it was a mid year car wouldn't it be a 67 1/2 Firebird ?  Confused                                                                   What I'm aware of....
12/66-2nd wk 1st Firebird Produced
Feb. 23 '67 Firebird Debut at Chicago AutoShow
Jun-Jul '67  Production period for '67 Ram Air Firebird
8/67-5th wk  Earliest known produced '68 Firebird (in Registry)
10/67-2nd wk  Earliest known produced '68 Firebird RA I
Aug67-May68  Production period for '68 Ram Air I Firebird/GTO
January '68  Use of Fiberglass Belted Tires begins on Firebird
March 4 '68  Van Nuys, CA Plant begins building Firebirds
3/68-4th wk  Earliest '68 Van Nuys Firebird (in Registry)
May 14 '68  Aprox. date last '68 RA I Firebird produced
May 20 '68  Ram Air II engine becomes available for Firebird/GTO
May 21 '68  First Ram Air II Firebird (and GTO) produced
June 6 '68  Leather Option becomes available on Firebird
July 7 '68  Latest Invoice for Van Nuys '68 Firebird (in Registry)
July 29 '68  1968 Engine Production Log Report Released
Aug. 6 '68  Invoice date for last '68 RA II Firebird
8/68-2nd wk  Latest Build Date for '68 Firebird (in Registry)
March '69  Trans Am Option became available
1969  Norwood, OH Plant added for F-Body Production
Feb 26 '70  2nd Generation (1970) Firebird Debuts in Chicago  If he has the first and second Firebirds ever built and they were show cars that is rare ! Show cars are alot better than just the first car built !! They have all the options !! but he has show 1 car and show 4 car what happened to 2 and 3 ?  Confused  

barneyformula barneyformula
Addict | Posts: 3306 | Joined: 01/07
Posted: 12/01/11
08:20 PM

Some good info there Jack, where did you dig all of that up? As far as I understand, the Firebird was released later than the Camaro because the Camaro was already set for production when Delorean was offered the F-body for Pontiac. They had to design the new front and rear treatment, interior and engineer the Pontiac drivetrain before they could go into production. But, Pontiac never called it a 67 1/2 (like Ford did with th 64 1/2 Mustang), sorta like the 2nd gen cars which were late for 1970 because of the extended production of the 69's (auto-workers strike, I think?).
It will be interesting to see what PHS sayss about these cars!
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big-g-67gto big-g-67gto
Guru | Posts: 913 | Joined: 07/10
Posted: 12/02/11
08:09 AM

great info jack, but quite different from my pontiac history lessons.......
the auto show car was likly a concept, not a production car......
chevy was looking to steal the lime light on a pony car after Pontiac slipped the GTO to fame ahead of the chevelle......
it is what it is but the camaro was available ahead of the Firebird.....

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Mr.Milt Mr.Milt
Guru | Posts: 1135 | Joined: 08/08
Posted: 12/02/11
08:29 AM

It really would be nice to see what the PHS says about these cars.  Also, I may be wrong about this but isn't there a date of Manufacture printed on label just below the door latch. And I still would like to see the photos.  

gtojack1366 gtojack1366
Guru | Posts: 1278 | Joined: 11/09
Posted: 12/02/11
05:03 PM

Were's the PHS documents ? Were's the photos ? What's the exact build dates ? Why are they show cars ? To many unanswered questions !  

tuffnuff tuffnuff
Moderator | Posts: 2567 | Joined: 12/09
Posted: 12/02/11
09:31 PM

I'm still waiting for pics, like all the others here.,. sooo, are there any?
Jack, another 31 posts and you'll be a Guru.
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Pontiacman8 Pontiacman8
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Posted: 12/03/11
07:37 AM

Ya me too.  
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gto66 gto66
Enthusiast | Posts: 488 | Joined: 11/08
Posted: 12/03/11
09:12 AM

I would also like to see pictures> Plus see what the PHS documents show!

Bob  

big-g-67gto big-g-67gto
Guru | Posts: 913 | Joined: 07/10
Posted: 12/03/11
11:48 AM

Icon Quoteswfirebird:
Well, I didn't have time to get pics around today, but I did get the entire VIN and body tag info of both cars.  Build dates for both are 2nd week of December 1966.

#223677U100001

    12B
ST 67-22667  LOR  SHOW1 BODY
TR 258-A      R2     PAINT
 L2MSR 4F

and

#223377U100002

    12B
ST 67-22637   LOR  SHOW4 BODY
TR 259-B      P2    PAINT
 XL2XGS 4F


sw, could you please post some pictures the tribe is getting restless..... Mad

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