Just had an argument of sorts with another guy who insists my GP 3 speed M13 would have been listed on the PHS order form even though it was standard equipment.....and I cannot prove otherwise as there are no VIN #'s stamped on it that I could find.Is anyone aware of whether or not they were stamped, and, if so, where the stamp might be? I've looked everywhere I could but have found nothing.right side tag says "RAT E1" and has a number under it, left side says "C8AR-7006." Could it be stamped on the top of the case, not visible unless the trans is out of the car?
An argument of fists would be more definitive!Just goofin ... How's three speedy been treating you?Trans markings (any that I know of) even on TH400 tags won't tie the unit to a specific car and may give little info about even what brand and model. year is usually about it, maybe the date of manufacture. My thinking (but I know nothing about PHS docs) is that if no specific optional transmission is listed on the build sheet, the car got what you have. Or whatever trans was stacked on the pallet for building base GPs that week.I don't think you'll find anything on the trans that would tell you its from a 69 GP. Seems like I read that more than one 3 speed trans was used, depending on production date.You're gonna need somebody who knows about Ford transmissions of that era. Just here to say what I would if you asked the question in person. Best of luck sorting out a winner!
Your 3 speed trans won't be listed on the PHS docks . Just get the PHS docks for your car and prove him wrong .
I have the PHS docs, and he looked at them but insists that he saw a 3 speed '69 GP about 5 years ago that had the 3 speed listed on the invoice. BULL, I told him, standard equipment was not listed on that form. I am also aware of 3 other '69 ponchos (not GPs) that the invoice does not list the transmission and they are all 3 speed cars.And correct me if I am wrong but due to the differences if shifter placement (stick up front of console, AT further back), wouldn't the hole cut for a AT not fit a stick hole, and vice versa?
If it was a automatic car it would be listed on the PHS docks .Plus you have a shift tunnel . Arguing over standard equipment ? You have it in black and white it's not on the PHS papers you can't do more than that . Did you look for the build sheet behind the back seat or on top of the gas tank ? My 4 speed trans has the vin number stamped on the left side of case .
what do you mean by "shift tunnel"? Also, can you explain if there would be a difference in the holes for a manual vs an Auto trans?his argument is that on the phs docs they didn't put a highlighted line through the 3 speed transmission, the transmission section was left blank, therefore the entire doc is a fake.
Hi mdh, don't let that guy get under your skin brother, the shifter tunnel Jack is referring to is a boxed piece of metal welded to the floorboard at the area where your shifter comes through the floor. Your shifter boot and trim ring actually screw to it. This is a factory installed part on floor shift manual transmission cars only.From Hemmings: "Neither the VIN nor the cowl tag indicated the original transmission, but as with the engine, Pontiac did start stamping a partial VIN on the transmission in 1968--for manual transmissions, look on the passenger's side of the case; for automatic transmissions, look on the driver's side. The two-letter engine code stamped on the engine block will also indicate whether a manual or automatic transmission backed that engine."You can match the vin number of the car with the engine to verify it is the original, then use the two letter code to authenticate it was produced with a manual transmission, although this method will not designate 3 or 4 spd. Hope this helps you out.
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thanks for the input gents.....getting tired of arguing with guys who spout off like they are experts but don't know squat (you find this out the longer they talk).This car has the matching # WX coded motor, meaning manual trans. He's not schooled on Pontiacs, that is obvious.