Hope I'm posting this in the right place. I'm converting a '64 LeMans from auto to 4-speed and currently have the auto console. I see the top kits and whole consoles for sale, and I know I could get something in return for my auto console.My question is, do I need to install the shifter porch and different carpet if I install a manual console? I'd rather do one or the other - either the console or no console with porch, boot and correct carpet. I know I need to cut a new hole in the floor either way, I was hoping the console covered everything up. Thanks for any feedback.
I would get the shift tunnel hump and try it .It's not going to make any difference if you use a console or not . But the console would cover up the bad carpet fit if there is a problem with the carpet fit ?
That's what I don't know, Jack. The carpets are different, you can order manual shift or auto carpets, and the manual carpets are shaped to cover the porch. If the body of the shifter requires the porch either way, then I'm stuck buying new carpet. Honestly, if that's the case, screw the console, I can do a lot of other things with $600...
Try the shift hump under the carpet if it looks like crap buy new carpet . When I put 4 speed carpet in my car it was way loose . How old is your carpet ? My Chevelle is a auto and the carpet is so loose you could fit a 4 speed hump under it no problem . But I never tried it before ? It might look like crap ?
If I'm thinking right the hump is used as a platform to mount the shifter boot and trim ring only, it has nothing to do with the shifter or console.It allows for a nice level finish if no console was installed, and if console equipped it allows the boot to protrude up through.I think the only difference in the carpet is that it's pre-formed for the hump..
Poncho huggen gear snatchen posi piro.
Now we're gettin' somewhere. The previous owner did the interior just a few years ago, and the carpet is almost new, so if I can keep it, I'd like to. I guess the thing to do is rig the tranny (w/shifter mounted) in place and see how much interference with the floor there is. If I need clearance for the shifter, I'll need a big hole and the porch. I could do a big aftermarket boot, but that sounds ugly, and the new carpets are only $140 out of Ames. It'll be a couple weeks to get to it, I'll post anything interesting.
Been there done that several times, put the part you call the porch on the hump after cutting out the hump to border the porch (a good size hole) for clearance for the shifter. 4zpeed is right it does create a level surface and also gives more clearance for the shifter. the carpet for the automatics just had a slit in it to allow for the cable to pass through, you can install the porch under the carpet, put the boot and screw down the metal ring just as you would without a console, that's how the factory did it with or without a console. The console will fit over it just fine and you still need the boot and ring to seal the floor. No need to change carpet you just need to trim it, slit the carpet just far enough to get the porch under it and screw it down, you can caulk it before you put the shifter in from the bottom, then center the ring and trim the carpet.Make sure the carpet is under the metal ring to hold it in place and the console will cover all of it, all you will see from the top is the boot.I'll have to go look in the barn and dig one out to look at it, I think some of them had two rings, one to hold the boot to the floor and another one that was chrome to hold the carpet.Good to hear another automatic going to the pile, I love a 4-gear and I prefer a console they look much better and it makes a nice place for young girl friends to sit, or in my case, grand kids.I have a factory vacuum gauge that bolts to the top of that console, fits my GTO convertible that's not restored.I'm building a new plow truck, a 68 Chevy van powered by a 428 Pontiac with a top loader 4 speed and heavy duty transfer case from a 3/4 ton truck.Have fun,GTO guy
Thanks, GTO, wicked good stuff. I rassled with putting the 2-speed back in versus a TH350 versus the 4-speed. In the end the 4-speed just feels like you're really DRIVING the car....
Ra Ra Ra 4-speed! 4-speed! 4-speed!, just a little cheer for ya.I stripped out a 64 Lemans in 1979 that I used to street race, had a cracked frame and I had a 67 GTO as my primary driver. I still have most of the parts, sold the windshield moldings about 20 years ago, got a nice head liner and the sail panels with the little stars.I had a 350 with 400 heads, 4 gear and 3:90 10 bolt 4-pin posi, still have a 4-pin posi with 3:55s.When you start driving this thing with a 4 speed she may wheel hop a little, gets some ladder bars. Checks for cracks at your rear upper shock mounts, that's a common place. There was a lot of cheep Pontiacs on the road at that time, gave $100.00 for my 67 Goat, it had a 400 with a close ratio Muncie 3:90 posi and I got 23 mpg on leaded gas, no unleaded then.Full speed ahead with the 4 gear!
The partsplace sells a reproduction HURST COMPETITION PLUS ROUND BAR SHIFTER FOR THE 67-72 GTO now $329 Dollars http://www.ebay.com/itm/271290286653?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Thanks, Jack, I did end up with an original '64/'65 with round bar, needs a good cleaning, but I saw some good instructions here in another post for taking care of it. '67 and up is a little different if I read other posts correctly.
GTO - since you've done this before, the pilot bushing that came with the clutch set is 1.09" x .592", but the auto crank hole is 1.0" I've searched thru the Summit pile and Advance Adapters, can't find anything. Any clues?
Never mind, did more research, the correct bearing (or bushing if you're cheap) is 1.375" od and fits in the second bore in the crank, not the first 1" pilot hole. Either way the 1.09" bush that came with the kit is no use, curious.